Bobert, do you use Seven Sons shrubs? I planted one from a Mass. Hort. Society sale about 10 years ago, not knowing it would be a 15 foot monster. It's the center of my backyard now, and when it blooms in September it collects Monarch butterflies heading south. But it rarely gets to the bright-red stage before frost cuts the show short. I've often thought it'd be happier further south.