Nice try, Tbus, but everyone is not laughing. You are guilty of an elementary debate tactic. That is you build a false predicate, then build a brilliant argument to support it. Jim has, IMO, pointed that out and you have obfuscated on the facts. He has also made it clear time and again that he is an internationalist, and that his interest is in simply stating his opinion. It is one I share. You may continue to argue for the legitimacy of these gerrymandered areas, but the simple fact is that the plantation policies, and subsequent playing of the orange card time and again, have created a generational schism that will only be corrected by time and politics. But I know of very few experts from either side of the debate that do not agree that it is just a matter of time now.

As to Keith's continued attempts to downplay the report and the blame it lays, I would simply say that your PM saw fit to stand up and say very directly that he apologized for these troops and there actions. End of story. Get over it.

Mick