But until someone can explain to me how I told the docs exactly what they said and did when I was "dead so to speak" this doesn't answer anything ... I blew them all away .. including see the rusty bolt that held together my traction unit that was high above the bed .. now I was not exactly able to climb up a latter to see it and see it was missing one of the wing nuts ... nor was I in the other room with the nurses and could repeat to them what they were doing and saying since at that time I was in that room while I was "dead" .... CO2 would have to be pretty darn powerful stuff EH