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Thread #130131   Message #2940327
Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-Jul-10 - 06:16 PM
Thread Name: BS: Bloody Sunday Report - AT LAST
Subject: RE: BS: Bloody Sunday Report - AT LAST
"Through our elected representatives we do "have a say" in military interventions."
So - as I asked once before and got no reply - everybody who voted for a Blair Government voted for the invasion of Iraq did they?
It is pretty well an established fact the the British population would vote tomorrow for the removal of the six counties from the Union. You still haven't told us why the sectarian unionists in the North should have a greater say in the matter over the general population of Britain.
"I do not distort you view on a United Ireland."
Yes you do - I have persistently said that a United Ireland is one way to end the conflict in the North, whatever I may feel personally about it.
"Jim alone feels that the people of mainland Britain should "have a say."
And you alone feel that they shopuld not have a say, but just provide the cannon-fodder and the money for the conflicts.
If you hold so much store in the way the people of The Republic voted, why can't the British people be treated to the same opportunity to vote on the issue? I think you said earlier that the people of the Republic and Britain cannot be trusted with the vote because it would not produce the required result - is that right?
I live in the Republic and spend a great deal of time travelling round the whole of Ireland and know that the people I meet, here and elsewhere, do not necessary want a partitioned Ireland; they want the troubles to go away. A decision taken on that basis is no foundation to build a stable society - as has been proved over and over again.
Once again - If you are going to leave the situation as it is WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THE PRESENT AND MOUNTING VIOLENCE AND UNREST?
"The days of military intervention in NI are long over."
On what grounds do you make this astounding statement; the days of a permanent British presence has been put on hold but, like the threat of invasion at the time of the treaty, military intervention remains as a constant threat.
"You are just an anachronism"
You appear to be incapable of making a contribution to this discussion without peppering it with invective and personal abuse. I belive you to be one of the most unpleasantly insecure people I have ever debated with.
Jim Carroll