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Thread #129840 Message #2947901
Posted By: Jim Carroll
19-Jul-10 - 06:14 PM
Thread Name: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
Subject: RE: BS: New Israeli atrocity: attack on Gaza aid
"The Hamas declaration predates the Israeli posseion of nuclear power- you are again wrong."
So what - the political problems raised by the setting up of the State of Israel were built in by politicians over half a century ago; they were never solved then when they should have been and they have left behind todays conflicts.
What we are discussing here is the fact that since the Six Day War the Israelis have adopted an aggressive expansionist policy backed up by military might. They have continued to annex Palestinian land and have used thuggish military tactics against a Third World people, an impoverished people poorly armed and incapable of effective resistance - making your suggestion of "ethnic cleansing" against the Palastinians utterly ludicrous - insulting even.
I notice that you did not deny my list of war crimes carried out by the Israelis, so you agree that they were carried out and you support them - tell me that is not so or tell me they never happened and what I witnessed earlier this year on a television documentary on the last incursion into Gaza was the figment of somebody's imagination.
Whenever opposition to Israeli behavior is brought up the inevitable squeal of 'anti-Semitism' goes up. Some of the fiercest opponents of present-day Israeli policy I have heard has come from Jews - friends I knew who were the children of holocaust survivers and who introduced me to the history of the Jewish people in the twentieth century - they are now ashamed to call themselves Jewish.
Justify Israeli thuggishness if you can, but don't claim them as victims - they are not; they are very much the perpetrators of horrendous crimes.
When I look at today's Gaza, I can see little difference in what is happening there than what happened in Warsaw and Wilno; when I remeber the Shatila and Sabra refugee camp massacres it remind me what happened at Lidice or a thousand other atrocities carried out by the Nazis.
I never believed I would see a nation of Jewish fascists, but that's what we have in the world today, and they have nuclear capability.
Incidentally - the tactics used by the Palestinians against the Israelis in order to get their homes back are no worse, and in some cases not as extreme as those used by the Jewish resistance in order to set up the State of Israel in the first place. Isn't it funny how terrorism becomes a valid form of self-determination depending on which side you support?
Jim Carroll