*pointedly ignoring the cute responses*

(and we had another 4 hours of no TV or cable after I posted)

" I meant to be pointing out that we all daily utilize the non-corporeal."

"my belief that we should all incorporate intangibles - the non-physical - into any equation."

Well... I think I understand the sense/feeling you are trying to convey, Ebbie.... but the question remains as to whether non-corporeal 'things' really exist in any sense other than as those funny neuro-chemical synapses I blather about. Do they? I, also, "don't know". *G*

and Amos.. if you can tell me, or refer me to the appropriate Zen master who can guide me "to notice only the beingness generating the pictures," so that I can KNOW I have 'suceeded', then I'd love some of that "instant dharma"! When groups of Zen masters and their pupils attend 'Dharma conventions' and report to each other that they did attain such.... how can any of them be sure that....ummm...well... you see why I am such a recalcitrant sort?

All we DO is 'have experiences', whether by drugs, dreams, fasting, 'thinking real hard'...or thru some mystical or ^metaphysical means. Then we report those experiences in text or spoken words ...and compare notes.

I have had dreams which puzzled me.... did I partake in some of that dharma stuff? *shrug* I dunno....all I can say is that I know some folks can slap electrodes on my head and get funny readings when I think in certain ways....and I have no particular reason to assume that 'satori' is anything else.

I stand by my opinion that it is **probable** that some folks just choose the more metaphysical explanation because it is more interesting.