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Thread #131208   Message #2958864
Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-Aug-10 - 12:40 PM
Thread Name: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel.
Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel.
Keith,
You and others have argued all along that the only reason that Israel fired into occupied areas is that this is where Hamas fired their rockets from.
Therefore Israel deliberately directed their fire into areas where they KNEW civilians would be = deliberately endangering the life of civilians in order to target Hamas fighters they claimed were there.
Even if Hamas had wanted to, they could not have deliberately targeted Israeli civilians as the weapon launchers and the circumstances in which they were being used were not capable of being aimed accurately. This makes the Israelis the only people to deliberately target civilians. There has been no evidence apart from Israeli claims that Hamas set up their rocket launchers in civilan area, so we have to take the word of people who have lied on a regular basis for it. It is just as likely that the claim has been invented to terrorise and drive out civilians in order to seize there land and property.
This is beside the point anyway - the Israelis deleberately targeted civilian area = war crimes against civilians.
The Israelis are the only fighters to have deliberately taken hostages and use them as human shields (happy to dig out the information if you are the slightest bit interested) = war crimes against civlians.
In 1982 the Israelis provided arms and transport to Lebanese Christian Phalangists and gave them access to the Shatila and Sabra refugee camps, enabling them to slaughter somewhere between 800 and 3,500 inmates.

"An hour later, 1,500 militiamen assembled at Beirut International Airport, then occupied by Israel. Under the command of Elie Hobeika, they began moving towards the camps in IDF supplied Jeeps, following Israeli guidance on how to enter the camps. The forces were mostly Phalangist, though there were some men from Saad Haddad's "Free Lebanon forces". According to Ariel Sharon, the Phalangists were given "harsh and clear" warnings about harming civilians.
The first unit of 150 Phalangists entered the camps at 6:00 p.m. A battle ensued that at times Palestinians claim involved lining up Palestinians for execution. During the night the Israeli forces fired illuminating flares over the camps. According to a Dutch nurse, the camp was as bright as "a sports stadium during a football game".
At 11:00 p.m. a report was sent to the IDF headquarters in East Beirut, reporting the killings of 300 people, including civilians. The report was forwarded to headquarters in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, where it was seen by more than 20 senior Israeli officers.
Further reports of these killings followed through the night. Some of these reports were forwarded to the Israeli government in Jerusalem and were seen by a number of Israeli senior officials.
For the next 36 to 48 hours, the Phalangists massacred the inhabitants of Sabra and Shatila, while Israeli troops guarded the exits and allegedly continued to fire flares at night."

Once again = war crimes against civilians, this time on a massive scale.
These are the people you are giving your support to and these are the people you are suggesting that the Palestinians should reliquish their arms and surrender to,
So far all you have said about the massacre is that "the Israelis should have stopped it"
I have never at any time supported the deliberate killing of civilains, but unless you condem all the above as war crimes, you have.
I await your response with some interest.
Jim Carroll