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Thread #115854   Message #2968393
Posted By: mousethief
19-Aug-10 - 03:20 AM
Thread Name: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Subject: RE: BS: Californians Oppose 'Prop 8' Gay Marriage Ban
Are you saying that their statistics and conclusions are incorrect?

No, I'm saying your conclusions are incorrect. The story you posted doesn't draw any conclusions at all about gay marriage. In fact it doesn't make any distinctions at all as concerns gay men in or out of long-term relationships. It's just not intended to answer that question. Or, to put it bluntly, it's irrelevant.

It says MSM are most likely to get HIV/AIDS. Ya-boo. What a surprise. But let's put our thinking caps on. Which MSM are most likely to contract AIDS, the men who are in monogamous, long-term relationships, or the ones who are not? Hmm. Hmm. This is hard. Can I use my lifeline?

But the study doesn't differentiate between men in long-term relationships, or not. Or indeed doesn't talk about any walk-of-life decisions at all. Nor does it support your view that if we allow gays to marry, it will increase the number of them contracting HIV/AIDS.

In fact, when it comes right down to it, this data has nothing whatsoever to do with the question of gay marriage. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nichts. Nichyego.

Why? Because it's just about MSM as an undifferentiated group. But the question of gay marriage has to do with differentiation: gay men who want to be married and monogamous, and gay men who do not.

And yes, I know, you've said there are all too few gay men who really want to be married. And I keep asking you why that's relevant, and you keep not answering.

In fact you have given no reasons whatsoever why gay men who wish to, shouldn't get married. None. Not one.

And of course nothing you have to say has anything at all to say about whether Lesbians should be able to get married, because Lesbians' incidence of AIDS is so low as to be irrelevant.

Not that MSM's incidence of AIDS has anything to do with it either -- sorry to be sloppy about that.