You make a good point John.Most of the time hot-button labels are a way to paint discussions as black and white,negating any effort to get below the surface and understand.This discussion has been failrly free of the kind of polarization caused by name-calling."He's a fascist.Because..well everyone knows he's a fascist!" That is the old way of thinking.The kind of sensible argument going on in this thread,among people who may disagree politically, causes us to question statements that would automatically be accepted among our friends who believe as we do. I would urge Greg to go the next step,and tell John why he feels that way.