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Thread #131699   Message #2973810
Posted By: mousethief
27-Aug-10 - 04:42 AM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Don't fall into the trap that because you don't adhere to a religion you can't have a moral code;

Agreed. I know a good number of atheists through my stepson, and they are all both (a) much nicer than I am, and (b) no less moral than any of the Christians I know (and more moral than some of the Christians I know).

My further point was that religion does not appear to operate according to the laws of logic (this is not a value judgement, just a fact) hence there can be no real dialogue between religion and science.

I dunno. Most religions have an internal consistency -- like most novels, even the most fantastic or science-fictionny, have an internal consistency. That doesn't mean that you have to believe them, but I don't think that they are totally devoid of logic. Of course the bits of religions that are taken "on faith" are not going to be scientifically provable (by definition, wot?), and so in that sense they are not "in dialogue" with science. But I can easily balance belief that my wife loves me, which is not provable by logic or science, with my understanding (lame as it is) of quantum mechanics or string theory. I think they are complementary rather than contradictory.

In fact I'd argue the secular stuff was a good deal more sacred because it addresses the Human Cause of which religion is entirely bereft.

Can you explain what you mean please? What is this "Human Cause" of which religion is entirely bereft? Sounds (forgive me) like a distinctly unscientific thing.

People follow what appeals to them on some level for whatever reason.

Yes and no. CS Lewis famously said that if he was picking a religion on what appealed to him, he'd pick Norse Mythology. He became a Christian because it impressed itself upon him as true.

diatribe

The insults continue. Time to stop now?

This forum could and should be the perfect tool for understanding and accepting each other whatever we believe or don't. Instead it devolves like so many others into division.

As it is likely to do. As Joe stated, most of the religious people on this board are very reserved. The atheists come out like a bull in a china shop, flinging insults left and right. Accepting and understanding don't seem to be in sight. Things like (I'm paraphrasing and combining here) "I won't tell anybody what to believe but you're all a bunch of irrational bullies" don't help any. (Nor, to be sure, was my insult, and I apologize for coming across so strong. One does get tired of being battered about the head, and sometimes the battering in one place isn't so bad but it puts one in mind of earlier batterings. I'll attempt to be more evenhanded.)