Also it's intriguing that Mudcat atheists have not really been very happy when the shoe is on the other foot:   when I have pointed out that atheism when in power has been the worst disaster ever for humanity, and when I have noted that atheism has provided us with virtually nothing in cultural achievement.

It seems that for instance in music the only stunning achievements by atheists were when they were willing to work within the Christian idiom entirely--with no trace of atheism whatsoever.   Unless of course you agree with the illustrious Mudcatter who has assured us that Frank Zappa is every bit the equal of Mozart, Brahms, Bach, Tallis, Byrd, etc. But perhaps that is the general feeling among Mudcat atheists. Far be it from me to try to dissuade you.

It seems clear to me however that the world would have been far better off if atheism had never arisen. The same however is not true of Christianity--or other religions.

And I am speaking of course only of atheism, not agnosticism.   Agnosticism, as I've said before, makes perfect sense. Atheism--especially the aggressive atheism amply seen on Mudcat-- is just the flip side of fundamentalist religion.

And just as desirable.