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Thread #131641   Message #2979216
Posted By: Howard Jones
03-Sep-10 - 09:11 AM
Thread Name: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic
Subject: RE: The Concept of FREED Folkmusic
Never said anyone is getting any particular amount of money but festivals are run with the profit in mind otherwise why doe they charge money.....
They charge money because they have to recover their expenses. Most festivals, here at least, are run on a not-for-profit basis where the surplus goes towards the following year's festival

Yes there are a very few free festivals around congratulations
But how are they funded? They still have costs to meet. Usually they are sponsored by public money, but you seem to object to this.

If you volunteer so that someone else can make money you are stupid. Again what other institution or industry does that. It is abuse.
You really are incredibly patronising. There is a large voluntary not-for-profit sector covering charitable and artistic activities which relies heavily on volunteers. It is very normal, and is usually considered a good thing, as an opportunity to contribute to the community - by everyone but you apparently

You don't need a pa for small groups. For centuries folk music did very well without it. You are simply addicted to electric technology.
For centuries there were no folk festivals. Folk music was performed in much smaller environments where of course PA is not necessary. A festival, in any meaningful sense of the word, has large groups of people trying to listen to the music. That requires PA, especially out of doors or in a tent with no natural acoustics.

Small stages 30 or more set up many of them....
Possible, but likely to be chaotic

Just because people pay for something doesnt mean its a good thing. It just means that they either have too much money or are stupid.
Stop being so patronising. Why do you think you know better than people what they want, or how they should spend their money? What it means is that they value what they are getting.

People pay money for drugs too that does not make it good.
No, but it still means they value what they get out of it. Your problem is that you don't value music enough to want to pay what it's worth. You want people to give it to you for free.

Look folks in urban areas people have no trouble dealing with a lack of restrooms. In the USA here in baltimore not a single light rail stop has bathrooms, the entire dc metro is bathroom less. Yet people function. Get over it.
Do people spend all day on the metro, while eating and drinking as well? Of course not - they travel for a short time and then they will find themselves somewhere with bathrooms. You cannot seriously believe you can run a festival without basic facilities.

Anyway why cant he port o pot guy be as dedicated to folk music as the others? Its only a few days out of the year.
Why should he? He's got a business to run, staff to pay and a family to feed. Maybe you can find one who's interested enough in folk music to sponsor your event, but don't rely on it. You're just trying to freeload off other people.


All volunteer or no volunteer. Simple.
In the majority of cases that means no festival. Simple.

No festival would be financially viable if it had to pay all the people it needs to make it run at the market rate. People are willing to donate their time (usually not for nothing, they do get free tickets) in order to ensure that the event takes place. If they are happy to do this, what right have you to object?