The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #131699   Message #2983662
Posted By: Ebbie
10-Sep-10 - 12:02 AM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Nope. Something missing in your figuring, Josep.

You say: "I posit tnat, at its base, being conscious means that one has the ability to experience events and to remember those events. This must be because if one does not remember events, one cannot have experience. If one is told by another that one was present at an event of which one has no memory of any kind--nothing at all--then what does that say about the state of one's consciousness during that event? I say, one could not have been conscious during the event or one would remember something."

Brain injury can rob one of the ability to remember recent events. I have a musician friend who, following an aneurysm some years ago, has very little 'recent' memory, even things that happened 15 minutes before. For instance, the other evening someone asked how he had gotten to the jam. He answered, I'm not sure. Maybe Bobi? (His wife). I told him that he was right, and added, Who was in the backseat?

He said, I can't tell you that. I don't know.

After some moments we established that it had been I in the car with him and his wife. He accepted it but he really didn't remember.

And yet, he was fully conscious.

There are many incidents like that in his life now. As I've said before, he can't tell you what he had for dinner- he can't even tell you if he *had* dinner.