"Yet Lox wants to play both ends against the middle. To him, consciousness is god"

Josep, you don't like being accused of using straw men, yet you put words in my mouth.

I haven't called consciousness God.

I've said a hell of a lot more than that.

Most skillfully neglected by you is my argument that you cannot observe or test the metaphysical in the physical world or use physical terms to prove or disprove metaphysical concepts.


Interestingly, while I haven't said what I believe, Josep has gone into great depth about what he believes.

He believes in reincarnation and in some kind of perpetual consciousness.

Fair enough.


"Someone offer me an argument that death extinguishes consciousness."


This is something that can neither be proved or disproved by science as it concerns Metaphysics and not physics.

From a scientists perspective, there is as much probability that consciousness continues after death as there is that God exists.

In scientific terms = 0

Any discussion about what exists outside the observable world is philosphy.


On the subject of consciousness, this is not the ability to experience or remember, but is the thing that actually does the experiencing or remembering.

The word "I" represents the conscious mind.

"I" remember ...

"I" don't remember.

"I" know who I am.

"I" don't.

"I" disagree

"I" experience x

"I" experience something else

"I" need to find myself

"I" am here


I am in a state of timeless Nirvana transcending physical perception.



             I - [verb]



"I" am curious about "I"

"I" make the mistake of trying to understand "I" by attempting to observe it objectively.

But "I" can't observe "I" without in fact needing to imagine a false abstract construct in my imagination which "I" then observe.

"I" just have to "be" and to "do" to understand "I" better, with every fibre of my existence.

"I" [verb]

"I" wonder whether "I" could exist if "I" was deaf, dumb, mute and had no sense of touch taste or smell.

Or does "I" require some kind of sensory input to exist.

"I" wonder if anyone has attempted any experiments to test that or if it would be possible to design one.

"I" don't know, but given that "I" am, in a way, the only thing "I" have, "I" think that steve is wrong to say that "I" am arrogant for wondering about whether "I" am either a temporary blip in the universe, or whether "I" will endure beyond the death of my body.