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Thread #131699   Message #2985100
Posted By: Stringsinger
12-Sep-10 - 12:32 PM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
"One toher thing--someone on this thread expressed the opinion that consciousness arises from the material brain. This is not only wrong, it is a rehashing of dualism which is discredited."


This is false information without any credible evidence to back it up. "Dualism" is a philosophical and not a scientific construct. Henry James, I believe.



" Quantum physics has proven experimentally that consciousness collapses the wave function of a wavicle into a particle, into matter. So to hold that consciousness arises epiphenomenally from matter (i.e. it is a by-product of matter) is like saying the child gives birth to the mother."

Consciousness is the ability of the brain to conceive of Quantum Physics. It doesn't exist outside of the human brain. Therefore, this sentence makes no sense.



" It's one of those weird things that science does--it tells the public something that scientists themselves do not actually believe."

This is an unsupportable conclusion and enters the realm of opinion, not fact.


"Matter is not the building block of the universe."

Who says?



DNA does not determine who you are and how you act and react.

It influences how you are biologically and it is not wholly a determinant as
to how you will behave. But it does play a great role in the human capacity
as to "fight and flight" which is a survival mechanism.


"Homo sapiens sapiens did not descend ladder-like from H. erectus, H. ergaster, H. habilus, Australopithecus--in truth there is no evidence these left any evolutionary descendants whatsoever. "

This is a misreading of the concept of Evolution. These examples are part of a tree
that when you go back far enough forms a basis for the branch called Homo sapiens.
There is quite a bit of evidence that these earlier forms had physiology that was similar
to present day Homo sapiens and enough so that it can be determined that there was a causal connection.




"These are things scientists in those fields know perfectly well and yet we are taught in school the opposite."

Again, this is an unsupportable hypothesis. Not all scientists know everything perfectly well. This sentence makes little sense.