>>josep-that for which you diamiss creationists also[and i suspect more often]applies to evolutionists.rather than accept invitations from well qualified creatiuonists they mostly dismiss them.if they are so certain they are right one would think they would welcome the chance to publicly prove it,considering how zealous dawkins etc are in trashing creationism<<

If you've been following the thread you will see that I DID attack evolutionists just as I have attacked skeptics. Creationists are the only people I haven't outright attacked. They are guilty of bad science but so are lot of skeptics. At times, both are identical and cannot be told apart.

As for evolutionists coming out and debating, many have. The problem is, whether they are right or wrong, creationism isn't going away. So what is the point of debating it? I can't see creationists saying, "Oh! I see, you're right after all. Ok then, sorry, we're disbanding and we won't make another peep." Is that ever going to happen? No. All science can do is try to keep it out of public schools where I agree that it has no place. My tax dollars should not have to pay for it. Evolution is an empirical view or at least it is supposed to be. While I don't think evolutionists have the slightest idea how humankind got here, I agree with the basic mechanism of evolution. Nor do I place much emphasis on Darwin. I think Darwin is overrated. But he wasn't wrong. Or at least he had the right idea. But to be placing that much emphasis on a 19th century man while ignoring far more recent evidence that evolution works more with cooperation than with struggle is typical of skeptics.

They're like Christians with Jesus. I don't know if they realize that it's the 21st century.