steve-my point is that you also utilized emotion,appealing to womens misery and by attempting to belittle those opposed to your position on the subject-despite my having been very positive in the way you previously presented your position.if you cant debate without such tactics,you either already lost the argument or render it not worthy of consideration.to the other more civil posters-i condemn also those who resort to violence to anyone.while we are considering religious violence,how about the great atheist states records on the subject.on my original enquiry i have yet to get a straight answer,though my reasons for being pro life are mainly theological,though i found it interesting,jack,that you know an atheist disturbed by abortion.on islam-i understood the USmilitary were bending over backwards to not offend muslims?