The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #132317   Message #3006724
Posted By: GUEST,matt milton
14-Oct-10 - 07:03 AM
Thread Name: The CD-R Folk CD
Subject: RE: The CD-R Folk CD
"One would have thought the subjective significance of any such artefact defines its ceremonial (as oppose to commercial) value?"


That's what I said, and that's why you're not very convincing on this: if it's entirely subjective as to whether something is significant enough to be "ceremonial" than *anything* can be deemed ceremonial (like me typing this email, or making a cup of coffee). Sure you can try to convince people these things are imbued with a numinous significance. But it's an uphill struggleL I don't see any takers.

"Feral is as feral does"
That's rather convenient for you. Essentially, what you mean is it's "feral" and "ritualistic" if it's you or your mates, but not if it's Girls Aloud.

"listen to any home produced Folk CD-R album and that much is obvious"

I've listend to the myspace pages of the "feral" artists you celebrate, and the "feralness" hasn't been at all obvious: I've just heard rather twee "spooooooky" (not) acid casualty music. It sounded rather middle-class and studenty, no different to risible charlatans like Esben & the Witch.

"Not much room for creative expression in an IKEA flatpack (thougb it's always nice when you get it right) whereas your average CD-R presents you with nigh on 80-minutes of beautiful silence which to fill to your heart's content, let alone the possibilities regarding packaging"

You misread my post: the IKEA reference was, you'll note, in reference to the supposed "ferality" of the commodity in question, not its capacity for self-expression. You're saying folk CDRs are inherently feral - that's any folk CDRs, irrespective of what the music is - in a way that's somehow different from folk CDs. That strikes me as obviously wrong.