Every abortion thread gets this stuff about foetal pain. It is simply not the issue. It's the unanswerable question. It is an appeal to emotion. We need to discuss the nitty-gritty, the practicalities, why young women in socially-disadvantaged setups (which can have many hues) become pregnant in the first place and how we can best address that, without moralising and preaching godly shite at them. If I were demented enough I could well begin to believe that Ratzinger and his benighted crew actually rather like the high abortion figures, as it gives them something solid to moralise against. For what is Catholicism if it can't harangue us all (from birth - original sin, anyone?) about what worms we all are?   Grrr.