thanks ebbie for something helpful on feotal pain as opposed to all the other evasions.    stringsinger-just to clarify,it was,nt a "religionist"who introduced the subject of abortion to this thread as i recall .now i see executions is added to the mix with the charge of this being a religious issue-well if so i hope you are including atheistic communism,as numerous political and religious people have been executed only for beleiving what the state outlawed on philosophical grounds.   mrrzy-you did,nt reference your asertion on feotal pain,unless it was on another post!...jack-i thought your comment very insightful,though the issue of pain is relevant,i believe,as the "pro choice"have been claiming absence of pain and by extension lack of personhood.