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Thread #131699   Message #3009930
Posted By: Ebbie
18-Oct-10 - 01:12 PM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Here is ANOTHER man I had never heard of, and one who has an interesting view (in somewhat jumbled order; the grab was not a clean one):

"Harris is in town promoting The Moral Landscape, his new book. Even here, he briefly explores the connections between spiritual experience—especially an experience of selflessness—and human happiness. "I see nothing irrational about seeking the states of mind that lie at the core of many religions. Compassion, awe, devotion and feelings of oneness are surely among the most valuable experiences a person can have," he writes.

"Over lunch, he says with a smile how much he looks forward to working on the next project, which will allow him to pull back, after six long years, and focus on things that support human flourishing. "Ecstasy, rapture, bliss, concentration, a sense of the sacred—I'm comfortable with all of that," says Harris later. "I think all of that is indispensable and I think it's frankly lost on much of the atheist community."

"The answer to the question "Do you believe in God?" comes down to this: It depends on what you mean by "God." The God Harris doesn't believe in is, as he puts it, a "supernatural power" and "a personal deity who hears prayers and takes an interest in how people live." This God and its subscribers he finds unreasonable. But he understands that many people—especially in progressive corners of organized religion and among the "spiritual but not religious"—often mean something else. They equate God with "love" or "justice" or "singing in church" or "that feeling I get on a walk in the woods," or even "the awesome aspects of existence I'll never understand."

"What Sam Harris believes in—rationality, morality, transcendence, humility, awe, community, selflessness, and love—meets a fairly common definition of God.

"Harris's true obsession, then, is not God but consciousness, the idea that the human mind can be taught—trained, rationally—to be more loving, more generous, less egocentric than it is in its natural state. And though he knows that he can sound like a person who believes in God, he thinks that God is the wrong word to describe his beliefs. "There's a real problem with the word," he says, "because it shields the genuinely divisive doctrines and believers from criticism. If the God of the 25 percent is incredibly valuable, which it is; and it's actually worth realizing, which it is; and it's something we can talk about rationally, which it is; then calling it 'God' prevents you from criticizing all the divisive nonsense that comes with religion."

"Believing in transcendence is not the same thing as believing that you'll get virgins in paradise if you blow yourself up—and Sam Harris wants to be clear about that"

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/18/atheist-sam-harris-steps-into-the-light.html