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Thread #131699   Message #3009981
Posted By: Mrrzy
18-Oct-10 - 02:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
mrrzy-either you were speed reading,or maybe/probably i was not entirely clear but not every expert agreed entirely with your assertion on when a feotus feels pain,there being a variation of professional opinion.
There is no biologist/medical expert who says that fetuses, at the age they are usually aborted (6-10 weeks) is capable of feeling anything, including pain. They (the feti, not the doctors) just don't have the wiring. If you can find a contradiction, please post the reference.
At later gestational stages, of course they can, but not that early.

I may well have been speed-reading, though!

2)   Sure it's possible for people to be good without religion, but a lack of religion makes it just too easy to change moral guidelines to suit man. - But *with* religion you can make people do things that are horribly immoral by any *rational* (other than in that religion, in other words) standard.
"People who believe absurdities will commit atrocites."

Without Christianity, of which he had in plenty, Hitler could not have come so close to eradicating the Jews, since without the "god tells you to" he would have no justification for it. Without Islam, nobody would be flying planes into World Trade centers, either. Well, they might with another *religion*, but not with rational intelligence. Atheists don't usually change morals without rational justification. But with religion, you can unfortunately call any act moral, just by claiming it's what your god wants.