I use regular ground beef all the time unless the 80% stuff happens to be cheaper because it's on sale. It tastes better. Burgers, Sloppy Joes, stiffed cabbage, stuffed peppers, chili-mac, tacos and burritoes. Yum! Sorry you think we're all barbarians Richard, have some Marmite on a biscuit while your looking down your nose at us. ;<)