>>By this you can see I tend to think of ethics as transcending society and morals as being woven of its fabric. Metaphorically.<<

The dictionaries I looked in don't show that difference between ethical and moral. You are of course free to make up your own definitions, but that impedes lucid conversation.

In fact statements like that, with definitions and distinctions, unexplained, seeming to me to be out of thin air is what prompted me to start this thread.

Jeri,

I see your point but. My morality is more to me than learning to fear being nipped by a bigger dog. It is more than even fear of punishment by God. I don't think following rules out of fear is very moral or ethical at all.