Ok Jack, I hear you. But please accept that I am not convinced your curiosity is quite as objective as you feel it is.

regarding good and evil. I am minded to use everyday examples of what is good and bad for me, or you, or a lady in Iran, or a petrochemical engineer in Alaska.

But then I thought of hornets that get into a beehive and kill off the bees for no apparent reason. They are not interested in the honey, they do not (or should not) see the bees as competitors. They just kill. Cats can do the same. Orca whales appear to play tennis using dead baby seals as a ball. They don't wait for a seal to die first either.

Maybe the departure into physics in the other atheism thread is not a bad idea after all, as it appears to me that right / wrong, good / bad, saintly / evil is all relative? Relativity seems to answer most things in the non quantum experience if you ask me.