Akenaton wrote "Mauvepink doesn't mind a bit of protesting, as long as there's no "foul language" involved."

You bend my words akenaton. I also pointed out I was against violence too. The point I was making is that it will take a whole load to get these people to listen to us at all. Starting any reasoned appeal to them by using foul language will not endear them to wanting to listen. Why should they?

Can you imagine what woul hapen if the MP's spoke in such terms when delivering thier diatribes to each other an to us? What does swearing achieve. It may make the perpetrator feel better momentarly but does it actually forward their argument? It makes it sound more aggressive and people close thier ears.

The condecension shown to your fellow 'Catters' does you no honour. Each here has a right to express their ideas, and offer what they think may be a start to trying for a solution, without recourse to ridicule.

In my opinion last weeks announcements have affected so many people to their very core that many are struggling to try and find a way to make a difference without resorting to violence or civil disorder. Ridiculing peaceful attempts to do something useful is so unfair and uncalled for on the forum.

Why should anyone have to prove how 'hard' they are? If peaceful means can bring about a swell of change, if peaceful means can change the minds of those sient backbenchers, if peaceful means can bring about rethinks and change, should that not be the priority to follow first. Fighting among ourselves just makes us a laughing stock in the face of those who dish all this down to us. Can you imagine what they would think of people showing how hard they can be? "Look at them, fighting among themselves, giving us every opportunity to divide and rule, then squash them with the law when they finally turn on us".

Do we need to be made criminals to prove how hard we are? Could it not be that back in 2003 common sense prevailed and lives were saved as a consequence? Do you still harbour feelings from back then that now makes you want to have another go but at a different target?

Ridicule my principles and belief. Yuu are not the first and will not be the last. No-one is stopping you from mounting your attack. I am a soft target...

I reiterate though. If we turn on ourselves what do we acheive?

with respect

mp