Yes I see your point Jack, but from where I'm standing, too many people define themselves as liberal because of their stance on peripheral issues(gay marriage,immigration,gender politics etc etc)

Politically they are actually the conservatives on the real issue.
See how they huddle together to protect capitalism and "democracy."

I have your good lady down as one of my half dozen radicals on this forum, one does not always have to be screaming revolution to be a radical....it is a state of mind......Ake