Hey Woodsie, cut me some slack. In 1999 when I started this thread, I hadn't heard the Rounders in probably thirty years, since my friend Steve played them for me. The other artists I mentioned were also people Steve had in his collection and turned me on to. I do see some correlations between Euphoria and tunes by Fischer, Beefheart, the Fugs etc. But I'm not here to classify anyone nor hang a label on them.