>>You say this and in the same post accuse someone else of circular argument. Very droll. Presumably you started to have your belief before the benefits set in (otherwise you couldn't exactly claim that the benefits derive from the beliefs). So, presumably, your beliefs, pre-benefits, were irrational in the first instance, only becoming rational once the benefits kicked in. I mean, how lucky was that. Did you predict the potential benefits before adopting your belief, and is that why you adopted them? I do love a gambling man. Your knickers appear to be somewhat in a twist on this one, Jack old bean.<<

Amos how is this sane? I make a perfectly valid point that you understood and he generates all of this presumed facts not in evidence bull shit, not to refute it, but to try to stir me up. His behavior is classic insane definition #3 3.irresponsible; very foolish; stupid.

Really, I ask you. Who's knickers are twisted? :-)