"It wasn't me who started on about groups and memberships thereof"

Sorry wrong again Steve, and the thread records will prove it for observers.   

Surely, these (unproven) allegations (let alone the emotional and somewhat rude remarks) do not present a good test, or examaple, of a reasoned Atheist, debater, or even mudcatter...one that you may want us to believe you represent.

Oh well, you could just say "piss off" to anyone who holds you to a test and ignore reality....if it feels good, and works for you, why not?