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Thread #133103   Message #3018033
Posted By: Teribus
28-Oct-10 - 05:46 PM
Thread Name: BS: Has Afghanistan become another Vietnam?
Subject: RE: BS: Has Afghanistan become another Vietnam?
Care to let us all in on the secret of how the United States of America managed to invade a country two and a half times the size of France and a population of 32 million people with less than 500 men? Neat trick that, why didn't they do that in 1944 on D-Day, think of the lives that would have been saved.

Fact is of course that there was never any US invasion of Afghanistan. All the US did was to provide assistance to the Northern Alliance (who were the last internationally recognised Government of Afghansitan) in their fight against the Taleban.

From 1996 there is absolutely no doubt at all that Al-Qaeda were based and given protection from the Taleban in Afghanistan. It was from inside Afghanistan that Osama bin Laden issued his fatwas of 1996 and 1998 (In the first he stated that it was every true believers duty to kill any American - man, woman or child - at every opportunity in any part of the world wherever they were encountered, basically he declared "open season" on an entire nation. The second fatwa in 1998 was a declaration of war on the "West")

From inside their safe Haven in Afghanistan the attacks on the Khobar Towers, the US Embassy in Nairobi, the US Embassy in Dar-es-Salaam, the USS Cole and 9/11 we organised and planned.

"There is no realistic way to question that the Afghanistan "government" is a US puppet. I'd call that interference."

Now when the Soviets entered Afghanistan with their 40th Army of 154,00 men (That was an invasion Richard) they murdered the Communist Government in power and supplanted that Government with one of their own choosing - that is a real puppet Government and that is real interference.

Now what happened in 2001? Afghan delegation arrives in Germany and meets with representatives from the United Nations - TRUE? They did not meet with any US Government Representatives or any UK Government Representatives, they met the United Nations.

At that conference the Afghan Delegation put forward the nominees that would form the Interim Government. Note Richard the Afghan Delegates tabled those names, not the UN, not the USA, not the UK.

The list of nominees presented by the Afghan Delegates were to be subject to selection and approval by a Loya Jirga (A traditional tribal gathering of Afghan leaders) to be held in Kabul in 2002. Please note Richard final selection and approval for those candidates was not undertaken by anybody from the UN, the USA or the UK.

Summer 2002 the Interim Government is formed subsequent to that there were elections in 2004 and 2009. A Constitution was approved by a referendum.

OK Richard you tell me where in that process the USA steered the process? Show me where they influenced anything.

"Every Taliban member killed ensures two more. Every non-Taliban-member killed ensures ten more"

Really? Who came out with that crock, because that is not borne out by what is happening out in Afghanistan. As the Taleban and their allies (Hekmatyar & Haqqani) are killing 80% of all civilians in Afghanistan does that mean that whenever they kill somebody ten people join the Afghan Security Forces to fight the Taleban?

"If the US don't win, how are they going to get out without being massacred on the ground?"

Now with all the Taleban that have been killed their numbers "hydra-like" should have doubled many times over and since October 2001 have US-OEF forces, ISAF troops or Afghan Security Forces been massacred? No they have not. Take the UK losses as an example in nine years we have lost 341 men - NINE YEARS. In the 90 days preceding the 1st October ISAF & ANSF carried out over 2,800 offensive operations against the Taleban in those operation 395 Taleban leaders were killed, 1,300 Taleban "foot soldiers" were killed and 1,335 were captured.

In 2006 the Taleban at their strongest could not defeat or drive out 3,300 ISAF troops in Helmand. Today the Taleban are faced with 30,500 ISAF troops plus 15,000 ANSF personnel. If they could not do the job in 2006, care to enlighten us as to how they will manage it now?

About three weeks ago the Pro-Government Forces started their offensive down in Kandahar. Heard anything about it? Had there been massive ISAF casualties the BBC would sure as hell have reported it as would the Guardian. This is the place where earlier in the year when the intention to carry out this offensive was announced the Taleban stated that they would do the massacring - hasn't happened Richard. Why? Because the young Pakistani boys that Mullah Omar sent over the border were told to F**K-Off by the locals and they ran.

"If Pakistan blockades the ingoing passes how will the US get in enough fuel and ordnance even to defend themselves?"

If the Pakistani Government attempted to do that then the USA would cut off all aid to Pakistan and to Pakistan's military. There would immediately be a military coup to overthrow the Government and the lines of supply would be re-opened.