Ron, Ed T,

I think it is pretty obvious that Shaw has a chip on his shoulder that extends way beyond the current topic of discussion. He also has made it clear that he doesn't want to talk about it. It is clear that he is trying to wind people up and get them to post angrily. He actually said that to me. I am not telling you what to do. But you might deny him some satisfaction by taking down the rhetoric a notch or two.

By the way Ron. There are some very reasonable and intelligent "Mudcat Atheists" who have expressed their views calmly and long left this conversation. When making blanket statements about a group, one needs to keep in mind the reasonable, rational, folks who are not in the heat of the discussion.