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Thread #131699   Message #3024300
Posted By: Jack the Sailor
05-Nov-10 - 11:14 AM
Thread Name: BS: The God Delusion 2010
Subject: RE: BS: The God Delusion 2010
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Can you think of a non-inflammatory way of saying religious belief is without foundation? Concise enough for a book title, of course. <<

Less inflammatory..
Less insulting..

The God Mistake
The old Paradigm
Belief in God, No longer needed?
Rethinking God.
Questioning the Belief in God
The Origin of the Species?

Note that these are all from a point of view of intellectual debate rather than immediately going to the insults.

My point is that it is a fantastic claim to say that hundreds of millions of people of faith are and were delusional. It is perhaps slightly less fantastic to claim that they are/were mistaken. But nevertheless even that is a a pretty fantastic claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary "evidence" do they not?

And my only reason for bringing this up is that some Atheists (Anti-theists) on this thread seem to have the delusion that the great metaphysical questions of the ages can be boiled down to..

"Write down complete "evidence" here on the Mudcat, that I will accept because I am "rational" and you are not. (Definitions of the words in quotes are subject to review by the questioner.)

As I said before and as Dawkins says, albeit reluctantly, in his book, there is no proof one way or the other.

As I have said before, the benefits of religion which I derive do not accrue without faith, in this case, overt proof would undermine faith.

Religion is a lot more than a big "Monty Python" style God up in the clouds smiting people, it is a profound inner experience. I know this from personal experience. If you think the question hinges on whether this or that miracle happened or exactly what happened before the big bang, then you are really missing out.

Most Japanese will say that they don't believe in a god. Yet they carry on their rituals and continue to refine them. It seems rather mistaken to me to put many hours of study into how to pour tea. But it seems to work for them so I am not going to call them delusional.

I think that calling ordinary people, going about their lives, delusional is bad manners.
I think that saying that calling the child of Muslims a Muslim child or calling the child of Christians and Christian Child is "evil" as Dawkins says in the book in question is rude.

Dawkins may not like how people raise their kids but he has no business telling them how.