smokey-thankyou for the apology,following pennys post.such graciousness is much appreciated when most others here are demonising me and each other for their opinions and beliefs.we can go on thinking each other misguided-respectfully.
penny-been awhile since the folk sessions!.thanks for the character reference.it is such a blessing having someone else vouch for me especially when not agreeing with me yourself.
mrrzy-i appreciate your sharing of a very painful event in your life.it is helpful to know the reason for the force of feeling
i agree that much that was once explained only by reference to deity is now understood in science,the beginning though is not so explained.everything that has a beginning must have a sufficient cause.if that cause is natural,it too would require sufficient cause.therefore that cause must be supernatural/spiritual.
if my logic is faulty,i am open to correction/understanding of alternative position.