Mrzzy -

"Are you saying that unnatural and supernatural are equivalent?"

No. I'm not. I'm saying that nothing is supernatural, everything is natural, but if people don't understand some natural (or technical) process or device they might think of it as "supernatural" or "magical"....simply because they don't understand it.

"There are unnatural things that exist, we humans make them every day, don't we?"

You could say that, I suppose, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Whether something is "unnatural" or not in that sense is a matter of opinion. If it exists, it is occuring and manifesting in the natural world. Is a squirrel's nest unnatural? Is a glass bottle unnatural? Is an A-bomb unnatural? Is a shoe unnatural? That all depends on your perspective, and it's a matter of opinion as to whether any manufactured thing is natural or unnatural, but in any case it has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making.

Mrzzy...to be clever is not to be wise. This forum is full of people who pride themselves on their cleverness as they can come up with infinite petty arguments and nitpicking of anything anyone else says, but that is not wisdom. Wisdom seeks accord. Wisdom seeks common ground. Cleverness seeks petty victories over perceived opponents.

All I see most of the time here on this forum is very defensive egos engaging in cleverness. I see little goodwill, little attempt to understand what someone else is saying, little desire for finding things in common with others, little friendliness, little constructive comment....but instead a ravening thirst for some petty verbal victory over the other person.

It doesn't help anyone.

It's also what's poisoning the political dialogue in our societies.

And it is the very heart and soul of what is negative and unhelpful about most of what has been posted on this thread, most of the other religious threads, and most (if not all) of the political threads.

Anyway...moving on to what else you said:

"why cling to the supernatural to explain anything at all?"

Why indeed? I don't. You don't either. But so what? Why worry about other people who do...if it makes them feel happy and they aren't hurting anyone? Surely it's their business, isn't it? Who is hurting you, Mrzzy? Or who did? And when? And why this continual reactiveness against other people's spiritual beliefs on your part? What business is it of yours what they believe or do not believe? Is it their problem or is it yours that you react to their belief?