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Thread #130903   Message #3028428
Posted By: ollaimh
10-Nov-10 - 01:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: Party of Lincoln
Subject: RE: BS: Party of Lincoln
lee had the opportunity to free john brown at harpers ferry!! too bad he didn't

the idea that southern seccession was in any way democratic is central to the delusional thinking of the southern right. in south carolina forty per cent of the male population didn't have the vote. eighty per cent over all. these were democrats like the spartans were democrats. most of the south had at least a quarter of the population unable to vote. the south was a oligarchy not a democracy, and had no legitimacy to secceed untill it held referumdums on universal sufferage, and that was established international law even then, but the law now .

as got grants actions. i've read his letters about the prisoner exchange and those to the southern generals on the topic and he stated forth rightly that the failure to respect the lws of war resulted in no more prisoner exchange.

to those who smuggy go for the arguements that the seccession was for states rights or other issues before slavery. all you are saying is you approve that some local antidemocratic landownung cluque should have their rights protected before one of the greatest genocidal systems in history id dealt with. i surprised you aren;t waiting now for slavery to return as the south still needs rural street lights and lanes improved first. then we will get to the great historical racism amnd genpocide that they seems to have to trouble with.

and what did they do with the states rights? jim crow. the reintroduction of slavery for many of the poor blacks and certainly for all poor blacks who apoke out about even the smallest injustice amd tthe lack of a vote untill the sizties.

untill the south and the right look at themselves critically american democracy is threatened. america has been a democratic beakon for the world, but letting it slit away into the hands of the ingorant uneducated apologists for southern cruelty is a tragedy of historical proportions.

finally lee was a good manouverer, but unable to deal with either mead or grant who didn't respond and just sat tight and fought. his style of war farte had disappeared in the napoleonic era but he was lucky to be fighting northen armies that were not professionaly trained untill late in the war. his great opportunity at gettysburg was picketts and pettigrews charge, a frontal assault on an entrenched position, long after sharpburg showed that the firepower of the then modern armies could not be over come by fromtal assault without hugh numbers or other major advantages. he was an average profession general on the world scale. and he personally signed death warrants for black union prisoners.

here is the nub of the problem of the revisionists who defend him and the csa. killing people unjustly is never ok, its murder!! murderers are the cruelest people alive!!! and those who justify them are aiding and abetting criminals. if any union general did this they'd scream, but then really what the revisionists are saying is black deaths do not count.

again untill america leaves these delusionl ideas behind democracy is threatened, and what a tragedy for the land of liberty