Steve,

I greatly appreciate your intention to remain hard-nosed and ration on this topic.

However, you're walking along one side of a boundary condition. The arguments in favor of spiritual extent or dimension are by their nature not evidentiary in physical terms. There can be evidence, but unfortunately it will not meet the "objective, repeatable" criteria we usually hold out for physical experiments. I don't know who it was that first said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture" but this discussion--and the many similar ones that have preceded it -- are bouncing against the same wall.

A