Well, Little Hawk, that was a fine and lengthy ranting, sneery post there. As ever with such things, you lose focus. 'Tis this: it doesn't matter one jot what your concept of "God" is, whatever the spiritual veneer is you want to put on it, or however inadequate you regard the words we use for it or have available for it. There is no refuge in the inchoateness of the concept, I fear. That's just saying to me that I can't get it because even you don't get it. There is a bottom line that just refuses to go away. Unless evidence is presented for whatever notion of God you hold, and there are many such notions around as we all know, you will appear to be living in the realms of imagination and whimsy. No-one in history has ever managed to demonstrate that God has ever appeared to them, answered a prayer for them, worked a miracle for them, has given them extra insight, has broadened their mind, has got their kid into university, has made bad people good. Not once, ever. Get this: I'm not saying for one second that God hasn't done any or all these things. I am saying that no-one has ever managed to show that he has, not once. Now I really am very interested in the various descriptions of God, believe me. I'm a believer in the value of human imagination and creativity in its highest flights. I don't not believe in any of the God concepts. But I am waiting for evidence. That's all.