Ed T (26 Nov 10 - 03:25 PM), I was writing about some believers, not all of them. Joe O. would call them superstitious.

I am curious, just how have you managed to tap into the "secret" minds of theologists?

They keep their minds secret only towards their "superstitious" believers, who may otherwise be disappointed and join a fundamentalist sect. In books and four-eye talks many things sound differently than from the pulpit, although theology has learned to avoid downright self-contradictions. I am not accusing anyone of hypocracy, just pointing out that the conflict also exists inside each of the mainstream denominations, possibly even inside individuals. Of course, I am not an expert and do not know all the details of the discussion.