Agreed, John MacK ~~ except that beef-mince &c can also be called minced beef &c; & mince pies, as I said before, are made from what we both call mincemeat, which uses the old-fashioned meaning of 'meat' to mean any food, & contains NO meat in the modern sense at all.

BTW, why no mention so far of desperate Dan's cow-pie?

~Michael~