joe-knowing you have a theological degee: can i ask what you think of pauls letters.as i read them ,the principles and practise seem to follow after and as resulting from explanation of doctrine?
i hope you dont think my postings combative even though my position contrasts with yours theologically,and of course with atheism.
i trust that my settled convictions do not constitute an intolerance to others views that oppose my own.

steve-certainly i believe the bible teaches original sin,in the sense of it being inherent in our nature ,though obviously not practised in the womb.i believe that infants that die go straight to a loving God ,holy water or not,and i am surprised that any church would indicate otherwise by its practise.