I was looking for a train in Doncaster one day, Brian. I found several, my first really good experience of trainspotting in England.
Didn't see any obvious virgins there, though...

But you're right about the other thing - church people can drive me crazy, but they can also do wonderful things. I've spent my life trying to teach Catholics about their religion, and they are aggravatingly unwilling to believe that Catholicism is anything other than their own narrow subset of preconceptions. Still, they can be amazingly generous and compassionate. When the going gets tough and they have to leave the doctrine aside and look into their hearts, they're fine.

-Joe-