thanks foolestroupe for links notwithstanding negative comments.sorry one link difficult but there is still a lot of free "truth" on the site-as you put it!.

steve-sorry about some measure of misquoting you.i think i understood your analogy[?]but as the cell only has info for what it will be and no other end i dont understand how that supports macro evolutionary theory.
i read intro of origins yesterday.i wont promise to read it all-see how i get on.
i already noted p3 that darwin concedes that points he discusses could lead to conclusions directly opposite to which he arrived.
also admitting to some grave difficulties to his theory.all this before the discovery of DNA complexity!.
seems darwin had a lot more humility than dawkins.