John P:

Beliefs in ANY structure beyond the space-time-matter contimuum are not subject to logic, and do not involve facts in the normal sense. Why even pose the question? It's like challenging the physics of a ROad Runner cartoon--wrong universe of discourse.

Spiritual phenomenology is not common ground, and therefore cannot be wrestled into an evidentiary framework the way common space-time events can be.

This is not a reflection on their worth or merit or even their validity for the universe of discourse concerned. But that universe of discourse can only be accessed one individual at a time. Well, not at a time in the usual sense, but you may get what I mean anyway...