I'm sorry Bill D if I misled you on my posting under BS but I never meant for this to be a puzzle and after all the TV coverage on the BCS winners and the Heisman trophy winner the past three weeks I guess I thought catters in the USA would know what the thread was all about especially the catters from Alabama.I can understand the catters in other countries being confused but oh well I'mm sure this is not the first puzzled thread posted