The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #133745   Message #3064989
Posted By: Steve Shaw
01-Jan-11 - 09:53 AM
Thread Name: BS: The Delusion delusion.
Subject: RE: BS: The Delusion delusion.
Claiming that God intervened and suddenly changed your life is a contentious claim. It may require the laws of physics to be transgressed, especially if something apparently miraculous is alleged to have occurred. I call anything of that ilk contentious, to say the least. Even so, I'm not putting the burden of proof on anyone. I just want some evidence, that's all. Someone's say-so is not evidence, any more that my telling you that an Egyptian vulture just flew over my house in Cornwall is evidence. It's a claim. A claim is not evidence. Saying you had a pain that suddenly vanished is a claim. I've had that several times in my life. I had a pain in my abdomen for ten years that I was told I had to live with. It's gone. I had distressing ectopic heartbearts for many years that I was told I'd have to live with. Gone. Not gradually. Both rather suddenly. Had the improvements coincided with my attending a church I would still not associate them with any God. Why should I? A good thing that happens to you is just a coincidence if it happens at the same time as you attended a service. How many services were attended unaccompanied by an improvement? I could have have gone to church every day during my ten years of pain, then on the day it mysteriously cleared up claimed it was God wot done it. Oh yeah? How many devout Christians attend services then have something very bad happen to them? Those poor people in Haiti? Do they associate the bad thing with God? Why does God visit his goodness so partially? Because it's not God, that's why. It's coincidences. It's very interesting that God's miraculous interventions are never things that would actually provide evidence, someone growing back a missing leg for example. Now that would be something. As for the rest, it's just delusion, but, if it lights your fire, go with it.