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Thread #134693   Message #3066747
Posted By: Lonesome EJ
04-Jan-11 - 12:10 AM
Thread Name: BS: Young Earth Creationism
Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism
"Heresy is when someone doesn't believe in your God. There is no word for the circumstance when you don't believe in his."
                                          - Samuel Clemens
First, it seems to me that Kent makes a pretty reasoned approach to his belief. He is taking the time to discuss it in a rational manner, while being pasted with rotten tomatoes by the supposed Scientific Rationalists in the crowd. I agree with what Don Wysiwig said...if you disagree, destroy his points in a rational fashion. The old argument that goes "everybody knows that's wrong, stupid!" just doesn't work. Frankly, with the ridicule and teasing, Kent looks like one of the few adults in the discussion.

Now, here's my problem with YEC. For a theory to hold water scientifically, there must be legitimate evidence that spawns the theory. This is called deductive reasoning, and that is how science works. There is no agenda to good science. It is the Truth, whatever that turns out to be. It does not pre-suppose a motive. If there was indeed a Big Bang that started the universe expanding, as the preponderance of scientific evidence currently indicates, there is no great necessity in determining what made it happen. Nothing currently known in science indicates a primary cause. Should evidence come to light as to the nature and circumstance of the primary cause, then a theory can be pronounced regarding that cause.

Inductive reasoning is how Religion works. I know in my heart there is an all powerful creator. All science is explainable in terms of this belief. That, my friend, is a leap of faith, and all theories stemming from it are therefore unscientific due to the nature of that process.

Kent said "Smokey, I am just trying to explain what YEC is. Saying why I beleive it is not really my purpose". But the purpose for any scientific "belief", or Theory, is ALL about the why, Kent. It is about a conclusion based on scientific evidence. I really feel that Creationists of every stripe reverse that process, and base the evidence on their conclusion.