==="the gutter press (and I include the Times and the Telegraph in that group)"===   Don T.

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Well, if we are all allowed to make our own definitions, nobody can ever be defeated in argument, eh?

Assuming you are not joking then, Don T., kindly define "gutter press" to justify that particularly fatuous statement. Unless, as appears, it simply means "any newspaper with which I, the great and infallible Don T., happen to disagree" ~~ in which case, please don't bother.

~M~