for what it,s worth little hawk;thanks for being fair minded in the face of entrenched antagonism[or so it looks in print ,from some posters].

i know i,ve expressed this before-though not as often as those who disagree with me.:-
creationists start with the bible but cite science in support of their belief.
atheists embrace evolutionism and likewise claim scientific support.
both positions claim that the other is misusing the data and evading inconvenient data.