for what it,s worth little hawk;thanks for being fair minded in the face of entrenched antagonism[or so it looks in print ,from some posters].

Well, LH, at least you know who your allies are.


i know i,ve expressed this before-though not as often as those who disagree with me.:-
creationists start with the bible but cite science in support of their belief.

Show me, names please, where creationists have ever cited science. You keep saying this and you ignore me every time I ask you to back it up. Are you surprised that creationists get all this flak you keep moaning about when they behave like you do?

atheists embrace evolutionism and likewise claim scientific support.

Are you implying that evolution is some kind of atheist creed? Are you aware that there are lots of believers who also embrace it? (They're confused, of course, but at least they're on the right track). And we don't "claim" scientific support. It's there for you, me and everyone else to read, as critically as you like, all peer-reviewed, all evidence able to be corroborated, or, if not, honestly declared as such. Ditch the pejorative "claim" bit. It's highly inappropriate.

both positions claim that the other is misusing the data and evading inconvenient data.

Science starts out by assuming its hypotheses are wrong and then attempts to find evidence to counter, or confirm, that. There may be people who misuse science by misusing the data (as with Hitler and Darwinism, for example), but the scientific process doesn't allow scientists to do that. Creationists don't have any data. They do, however, choose to ignore inconvenient scientific data. All religion does that to some extent, though creationists are possibly the most egregious offenders.